IEEE-SA STANDARDS BOARD STANDARDS REVIEW COMMITTEE (RevCom)
APPROVED MINUTES
25 September 2008
8:30 a.m. – 2:00 p.m.
Seoul, South Korea

1          CALL TO ORDER

Chair Law called the meeting to order at 8.30 a.m. There was a round of introductions by all present.
                                                                                                              
2          REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA

Clint Chaplin requested adding an additional item to the agenda. It was added as 11.3 – Comments from Initial Ballot vs. Recirculation Ballot.

The agenda was approved through unanimous consent.

3          APPROVAL OF THE 11 June 2008 RevCom MINUTES

There was a motion to approve the 11 June 2008 RevCom Minutes. The motion was unanimously approved.

4          ProCom LIAISON REPORT

David Law, ProCom member, delivered the report. [Please see the ProCom meeting minutes for further information.]

5          CONDITIONAL APPROVAL REPORT

The report was presented as an information item.

6          WITHDRAWAL REQUESTS

Chair Law noted that a RevCom ad hoc earlier this year had dealt with how withdrawals should be conducted, and the proposed changes, which require a Sponsor Ballot for withdrawal, had been accepted by the Standards Board. However, these changes will go into effect on 1 January 2009. Since RevCom evaluates whether requests are in accordance with the rules in place at the time an action was taken, the new rules are not applicable in this case.
Chair Law also disclosed that he is part of the Sponsor making the request in 6.1.

6.1       C/LM – Request to Withdraw 802.5 Standards

• 802.5-1997 (R2003) Token Ring Access Method and Physical Layer Specifications
• 802.5j-1997 (R2003) Token Ring Fibre Optic Media
• 802.5r-1997 (R2003) Token Ring Dedicated Token Ring Operation
• 802.5t-2000 (R2003) Token Ring 100 Mbit/s Dedicated Token Ring Operation
• 802.5v-2001 (R2003) Token Ring Gigabit Token Ring Operation
• 802.5w-2000 (R2003) IEEE Corrigenda to Token Ring
• 802.5p-1993 (R2003) Part 2: Logical Link Control-Annex X: End system Route Determination

There was a motion to withdraw these 802.5 standards. The motion was unanimously approved.

7          TRIAL-USE STANDARDS UPGRADE REQUESTS

There was a motion to accept both upgrade requests [7.1 & 7.2]. The motion was unanimously approved.

Editorial staff will make changes to the cover and the database will be updated.

7.1       BTS/AVTech - Request to Elevate 1521-2003 to Full-Use Status

7.2       SCC20 - Request to Elevate 1671-2006 to Full-Use Status

8          PROPOSED STANDARDS FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION

Chair Law made the following remarks regarding issues that were discussed during the preliminary review period prior to discussion of the proposed standards:

• There was discussion on the RevCom reflector relating to titles, and it was pointed out that the title of a standard has to be within the scope of the title of the PAR, not match the title of the PAR. This will be further discussed in item 11.2.
• There are a number of contingent projects on this agenda. Conditional approval might be a way to ensure the contingency is enforced.

He also noted that as the working group chair and submitter of P802.1AX and P802.3, Chair Law will recuse himself from the discussions of these projects. Malcolm Thaden will serve as chair for the discussion of these projects.

[All votes are unanimous unless noted otherwise.]

8.1       New

P802.1ak-2007/Cor1/D3.0 (C/LM) IEEE Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks - Virtual Bridged Local Area Networks - Amendment 07: Multiple Registration Protocol - Corrigendum 1: Corrections to the Multiple Registration Protocol

Recommendation: APPROVE

P802.1AX/D2.1 (C/LM) Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks - Link Aggregation

Recommendation: Conditionally approve (yes = 9; no = 2; abstain = 0)
David Law recused himself from this vote, as he is the 802.3 Chair and submitter of this project.

The motion was to conditionally approve this project based on approval of P802.3.

Malcolm Thaden chaired the discussion of P802.1AX.

Prior to the recommendation to conditionally approve, there was a motion to approve. There was then a motion to amend the motion to be conditional based on approval of P802.3. This amendment was accepted. There was a motion to add the condition that PatCom assure that all IP issues have been addressed. After discussion, the second amendment was voted on by the committee and failed (yes = 2; no = 9; abstain = 0). Chair Thaden stated that this project would be removed from the consent agenda at the Standards Board meeting. Then there was a vote on the amended main motion.

P802.11y/D11.0 (C/LM) Standard for Information Technology - Telecommunications and Information Exchange Between Systems - Local and Metropolitan Networks - Specific Requirements - Part 11: Wireless LAN Medium Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications - Amendment 3: 3650-3700 MHz Operation in USA

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1293-1998/Cor 1/D3 (AES/GA) IEEE Standard Specification Format Guide and Test Procedure for Linear, Single-Axis, Non-Gyroscopic Accelerometers - Corrigendum 1: Annex K & L Changes

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1363.2/D28 (C/MSC) Standard Specification for Password-Based Public-Key Cryptographic Techniques

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1431-2004/Cor 1/D3 (AES/GA) IEEE Standard Specification Format Guide and Test Procedure for Coriolis Vibratory Gyros - Corrigendum 1: Figure 1 - Gyro Axes and Misalignment Angles

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1505.1/D9 (IM/Con & SCC20) Trial-Use Standard for the Common Test Interface Pin Map Configuration for High-Density, Single-Tier Electronics Test Requirements Utilizing IEEE Std 1505

Recommendation: APPROVE [yes = 11; no = 1 (Chaplin); abstain = 0]

P1624/D4 (RS/RS) Standard for Organizational Reliability Capability

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1660/D9 (PE/SB) Guide for Application and Management of Stationary Batteries Used in Cycling Service

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1671.2/D9 (SCC20) Trial-Use Standard for Automatic Test Markup Language (ATML) for Exchanging Automatic Test Equipment and Test Information via XML: Exchanging Instrument Descriptions

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1671.5/D6 (SCC20) Trial-Use Standard for Automatic Test Markup Language (ATML) for Exchanging Automatic Test Information via XML: Exchanging Test Adapter Information

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1671.6/D6 (SCC20) Trial-Use Standard for Automatic Test Markup Language (ATML) for Exchanging Automatic Test Information via XML: Exchanging Test Station Information

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1675/D17 (PE/PSC) Standard for Broadband Over Powerline Hardware

Recommendation: APPROVE

P11073-00101/D5 (EMB/11073) Health Informatics - Point-of-Care Medical Device Communication - Technical Report - Guidelines for the Use of RF Wireless Technology

Recommendation: APPROVE

P11073-10408/D10 (EMB/11073) Health Informatics - Personal Health Device Communication - Device Specialization - Thermometer

Recommendation: Conditionally approve

The motion was to conditionally approve based on approval of P11073-20601

Chair Law noted that this project was contingent on P11073-20601.

There was a motion to amend the agenda to discuss P11073-20601 before the P11073s that were contingent on it. It was unanimously approved.

After discussion of P11073-20601, a motion to conditionally approve based on approval of P11073-20601 was voted on.

P11073-10415/D11 (EMB/11073) Health Informatics - Personal Health Device Communication - Device Specialization - Weighing Scale

Recommendation: Conditionally approve

The motion was to conditionally approve based on approval of P11073-20601

P11073-10441/D8 (EMB/11073) Health Informatics - Personal Health Device Communication - Device Specialization – Cardiovascular Fitness and Activity Monitor

Recommendation: Conditionally approve

The motion was to conditionally approve based on approval of P11073-20601

Initially, a motion to approve was made. An amendment was added to make approval conditional based on approval of P11073-20601.

P11073-10442/D7 (EMB/11073) Health Informatics - Personal Health Device Communication - Device Specialization – Strength Fitness Equipment

Recommendation: Conditionally approve

The motion was to conditionally approve based on approval of P11073-20601

P11073-10471/D6 (EMB/11073) Health Informatics - Personal Health Device Communication - Device Specialization – Independent Living Activity Hub

Recommendation: Conditionally approve

The motion was to conditionally approve based on approval of P11073-20601

After some discussion, the question was called without objection, and the vote was taken.

P11073-20601/D24 (EMB/11073) Health Informatics - Personal Health Device Communication - Application Profile - Optimized Exchange Protocol

Recommendation: APPROVE

Note: Doug Bogia participated via phone during the discussion on P11073-20601.

P90003/D1 (C/S2ESC) Adoption of ISO/IEC 90003: Software Engineering - Guidelines for the Application of ISO 9001:2000 to Computer Software

Recommendation: APPROVE

After some discussion, the question was called without objection, and the vote was taken.

PC57.12.51/D2.1 (PE/TR) Standard for Ventilated Dry-Type Power Transformers, 501 kVA and Larger, Three-Phase, with High-Voltage 601 to 34500 Volts; Low-Voltage 208Y/120 to 4160 Volts - General Requirements

Recommendation: APPROVE

PC62.21-2003/Cor 1/D5 (PE/SPDHV) Guide for the Application of Surge Protective Equipment on AC Rotating Machinery 1000 Volts and Greater - Corrigendum 1: Replace Table 2 and Annexes A.1 and A.2

8.2       Revision

P384/D3 (PE/NPE) Standard Criteria for Independence of Class 1E Equipment and Circuits

Recommendation: APPROVE

P802.3/D2.3 (C/LM) Standard for Information Technology - Telecommunications and Information Exchange Between Systems - Local and Metropolitan Area Networks - Specific Requirements Part 3: Carrier Sense Multiple Access with Collision Detection (CSMA/CD) Access Method and Physical Layer Specifications

Recommendation: Conditionally approve
David Law recused himself from this vote, as he is the 802.3 Chair and submitter of this project.

The motion was to conditionally approve this project based on approval of P802.1AX.

Malcolm Thaden chaired the discussion of P802.3.

P1003.1/D5.1 (C/PA) Information Technology - Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX®)

Recommendation: APPROVE

There was discussion about how comments should be dealt with when a project is balloted simultaneously by different organizations. A motion was made to amend the motion to direct staff to obtain a copy of the comments on the Open Group site and archive them. The amendment was unanimously accepted, and a vote on the amended motion was taken.

P1076/D4.3a (C/DA) Standard VHDL Language Reference Manual

Recommendation: Conditionally approve

The motion was to conditionally approve based on copyright requirements being satisfied.

Initially, there was a motion to approve. Kim Breitfelder noted that there were some outstanding copyright issues, and asked that conditional approval be considered. There was a motion to amend the motion to be conditional based on copyright requirements being satisfied. It was unanimously accepted. The amended motion was voted on.

There was discussion about whether attaching comment resolution information to the cover letter satisfied the requirements of the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual 5.4.3.

Victor Berman will inform C/DA that comment resolution should be conducted through the tool in myBallot.

P1139/D2 (SCC27) Standard Definitions of Physical Quantities for Fundamental Frequency and Time Metrology - Random Instabilities

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1620/D8 (C/MSC) Standard for Test Methods for the Characterization of Organic Transistors and Materials

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1625/D23 (PE/SB) Standard for Rechargeable Batteries for Multi-Cell Mobile Computing Devices

Recommendation: APPROVE

PC57.104/D3.3 (PE/TR) Guide for the Interpretation of Gases Generated in Oil-Immersed Transformers

8.3       Reaffirmation

323-2003 (PE/NPE) IEEE Standard for Qualifying Class 1E Equipment for Nuclear Power Generating Stations

Recommendation: APPROVE

661-1979 (R1998) (COM/TRANS) IEEE Standard Method for Determining Objective Loudness Ratings of Telephone Connections

Recommendation: APPROVE

776-1992 (R2003) (PE/PSC) IEEE Recommended Practice for Inductive Coordination of Electric Supply and Communication Lines

Recommendation: APPROVE

945-1984 (R2002) (SCC14) IEEE Recommended Practice for Preferred Metric Units for Use in Electrical and Electronics Science and Technology

Recommendation: APPROVE [yes = 10, no = 0, abstain = 2 (Chaplin, Diab)]

1137-1991 (R2003) (PE/PSC) IEEE Guide for the Implementation of Inductive Coordination Mitigation Techniques and Application

Recommendation: APPROVE

After some discussion, the question was called without objection, and the vote was taken.

1243-1997 (PE/T&D) IEEE Guide for Improving the Lightning Performance of Transmission Lines

Recommendation: APPROVE

1476-2000 (VT/RT) IEEE Standard for Passenger Train Auxiliary Power Systems Interfaces

Recommendation: APPROVE

1547-2003 (SCC21) IEEE Standard for Interconnecting Distributed Resources with Electric Power Systems

Recommendation: APPROVE

There was discussion about whether a rebuttal was required for comments during reaffirmation ballots. The IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, 9.1.2 grants an exception from the rebuttal requirement to reaffirmations. A straw poll was taken to get a sense of what RevCom members think, but it was inconclusive. The Reaffirmation – Rebuttal Ad Hoc was formed to clarify the issue (Chair: Wael Diab; Members: Bob Grow, David Law, Moira Patterson, Dave Ringle, and Malcolm Thaden).

ProCom members will be invited to join.

C37.013-1997 (PE/SWG) IEEE Standard for AC High-Voltage Generator Circuit Breakers Rated on a Symmetrical Current Basis

Recommendation: APPROVE

C57.12.58-1991 (R2002) (PE/TR) IEEE Guide for Conducting a Transient Voltage Analysis of a Dry-Type Transformer Coil

9          EARLY CONSIDERATION PROCESS

Chair Law announced that there will be an Early Consideration telecom on 27 October 2008, at 1 p.m. ET.

10        OLD BUSINESS

10.1     Scope of Recirculations Ad Hoc Report - Diab

Wael Diab gave the ad hoc report. The ad hoc proposal clarifies that the convergence process during comment resolution only starts after a 75% approval rate has been achieved. There was discussion, and the proposal was further refined. There was a motion to pass the edited text on to ProCom for consideration. The motion was unanimously approved.

During discussion on the Scope of Recirculations Ad Hoc, it was mentioned that the second paragraph of the proposal did not cover all cases of  'do not approve' votes being treated as 'unresolved negative without comment,' and did not provide complete guidance on notifications to be sent to balloters (see text below). The Unchanged Portions and Comments Ad Hoc was formed to further improve this section (Chair: Phil Barber; Members: Clint Chaplin, Wael Diab, Andy Drozd, Alex Gelman, Bob Grow, Jim Hughes, David Law, Moira Patterson, and Dave Ringle).

IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual: 5.4.3.2, Par. 7 (text with proposed changes from Scope Ad Hoc):
“If a change to "do not approve" is based solely on comments concerning previously approved unchanged portions of the balloted document, the balloter shall be informed that the comments are not based on the changed portion of the balloted document or on portions of the document that are the subject of, or affected by, unresolved comments associated with a negative vote. Such comments need not be addressed in the current ballot and may be considered for a future revision of the standard. If the balloter does not change the negative vote ballot, the ballot vote may be submitted to RevCom as an unresolved negative without comment."

ProCom members will be invited to join.

10.2     Sponsor Responsibility with Regard to Non-MBS Comments Ad Hoc Report – Chaplin

Clint Chaplin presented the ad hoc report and proposed text. In order to make it clearer that written evidence of consideration has to be provided for each comment, the proposal suggests the deletion of the following statement from two sections in the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, 5.4.3.1: “Action on such comments is left to the discretion of the Sponsor.” There was a motion to approve the proposed changes and to forward the text to ProCom for consideration. The motion was unanimously approved.

It was mentioned that myBallot might need to be updated, since it currently does not require that a response to each comment be entered. Furthermore, there should be a way to separate the comments that trigger a recirculation from the ones that do not.

11        NEW BUSINESS

11.1     RevCom Convention 9 Draft Proposal – Law

ProCom had asked that RevCom record the grandfathering convention, which is current practice, in the RevCom Conventions. Chair Law presented the following proposal for discussion and noted that past P&P documents are available on the private RevCom site:

“9. Procedural Changes and Grandfathering for Proposed Standards
The IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws and the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual are regularly updated as necessary. While these changes may alter the procedures required to be followed during the standards development process, each separate action is grandfathered to the procedure in place at the time the action was initiated. 
Therefore, RevCom evaluates each action against the IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws and the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual in effect at the time of the action.”

There was a motion to approve the proposal. It was approved (yes = 11; no = 0; abstain = 1)

Moira Patterson will update the RevCom Conventions with this text. [It was subsequently decided that Convention 4 would be deleted, so this Convention will become the new Convention 4.] 

11.2     RevCom Convention 4 - Discrepancy of Document Title – Law

Chair Law led discussion on Convention 4. He noted that it has a narrower interpretation of possible title changes than the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual allows. According to the Operations Manual, titles of draft standards have to be within the scope of titles of PARs, but Convention 4 only allows for editorial changes.

Some points that were discussed:

• Kim Breitfelder stated that there should be room for slight changes, and that titles rarely have technical issues.
• RevCom members want guidance to be consistent in their review.

There was a motion to delete Convention 4 from the RevCom Conventions. It was approved (yes = 10; no = 0; abstain = 2)

Moira Patterson will update the RevCom Conventions accordingly.

The committee also agreed by unanimous consent that the IEEE-SA Standards Board RevCom Review Checklist be updated to reflect the Operations Manual language.

 11.3     Comments from Initial Ballot vs. Recirculation Ballot.

Clint Chaplin stated that while the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual provides guidance on how to conduct ballots, instructions for conducting recirculations need to be clarified. Section 5.4.3.1, which provides information about the conduct of a ballot, is titled Initial Ballot. While information on how to conduct recirculations is available, it is not labeled clearly. The 5.4.3.1 Ad Hoc was formed to consider how recirculation information can be presented in a clearer way (Chair: Clint Chaplin; Members: Phil Barber, John Kulick, David Law, Moira Patterson, and Dave Ringle).
 
ProCom members will be invited to join the ad hoc.

12        NEXT MEETING
The next RevCom meeting will be Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, in Delray Beach, Florida, USA. The submittal deadline for this meeting is 20 October 2008.

13        ADJOURNMENT