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IEEE-SA STANDARDS BOARD STANDARDS REVIEW COMMITTEE (RevCom)
APPROVED MINUTES
11 June 2008
9:00 a.m. – 2:00 p.m.
Piscataway, New Jersey, USA

MEMBERS PRESENT

GUESTS

STAFF

Satish Aggarwal
Phillip Barber
Victor Berman
Clint Chaplin
Wael Diab
Andrew Drozd
Alex Gelman
Daniel Giusto
Jim Hughes
John Kulick
David Law, Chair
Gary Robinson
Sam Sciacca
Malcolm Thaden
Matthew Wilkowski

Chuck Adams
Les Baxter
Radhakrishna Canchi
Carey Cook
Bob Davis [Part time via phone]
Mark Epstein
Arnie Greenspan
Bob Grow
Rich Hulett
Mark Klerer
Michael Lindsay [Legal counsel]
Hung Ling
Jennifer McClain
Steve Mills
Paul Nikolich
Glenn Parsons
John Rosdahl
Michael Seavey
Scott Tamashiro
Geoff Thompson
Jim Tomcik
Claire Topp [Legal counsel]
John Walz
George Willingmyre
Joanne Wilson
Don Wright

Bill Ash
Christy Bahn
Kim Breitfelder
Matt Ceglia
Kathryn Cush
Terry deCourcelle
Tricia Gerdon
Rona Gertz
Judy Gorman
Mary Ellen Hanntz
Yvette Ho Sang
Noelle Humenick
Karen Kenney
Mike Kipness
Juanita Lewis
Don Messina
Mary Lynne Nielsen
Moira Patterson, Administrator
Lisa Perry
Edward Rashba
Dave Ringle
Christina Sahr
Linda Sibilia
Penny Stanton
Jennie Steinhagen
Susan Tatiner
Michelle Turner
Sue Vogel
Malia Zaman

1       CALL TO ORDER

Chair Law called the meeting to order at 9.00 a.m. There was a round of introductions by all present.

 2       REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA

Chair Law requested to move P802.20 to the end of the ‘Proposed Standards for Review and Recommendation’ section (create item 5.4), because conflict of interest principles were going to be applied to this submittal only.

There was a motion to approve the agenda with the requested change. The motion was unanimously approved.

 3       APPROVAL OF THE 26 MARCH 2008 RevCom MINUTES

There was a motion to approve the 26 March 2008 RevCom Minutes. The motion was unanimously approved.

4       ProCom LIAISON REPORT

Malcolm Thaden, ProCom liaison, delivered the report. [Please see the ProCom meeting minutes for further information.]

Victor Berman requested access to the information on Study Groups that had been discussed at ProCom. Staff will ensure he will receive these materials.

Gary Robinson stated that ANSI is working on trial-use rules and suggested that the IEEE-SA monitor this activity. Staff will ensure this happens.

5       PROPOSED STANDARDS FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION

[All votes are unanimous unless noted otherwise.]

5.1    NEW

P802.1ah/D4.2 (C/LM) Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks - Virtual Bridged Local Area Networks - Amendment 6: Provider Backbone Bridges

Recommendation: APPROVE

P802.20/D4.1m (C/LM) Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks - Standard Air Interface for Mobile Broadband Wireless Access Systems Supporting Vehicular Mobility - Physical and Media Access Control Layer Specification

Discussion of this project was moved to item 5.4.

P1474.3/D12.0 (VT/RT) Recommended Practice for Communications-Based Train Control (CBTC) System Design and Functional Allocations

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1599/D5.0 (C/SAB) Recommended Practice for Definition of a Commonly Acceptable Musical Application Using the XML Language

Recommendation: APPROVE

P1900.1/D4.0 (COM/SC) Standard Definitions and Concepts for Dynamic Spectrum Access: Terminology Relating to Emerging Wireless Networks, System Functionality, and Spectrum Management

Recommendation: APPROVE [yes = 11; no = 0; abstain = 3 (Barber, Chaplin, Diab)]

PC37.43/D11 (PE/SWG) Standard Specifications for High-Voltage Expulsion, Current-Limiting and Combination Type Distribution and Power Class External Fuses, with Rated Voltages from 1 kV through 38 kV, Used for the Protection of Shunt Capacitors

Recommendation: APPROVE

 5.2    REVISION

There was a motion to table P754 to be the first item considered after 10 a.m., because the Sponsor wanted to participate and was not available before 10 a.m. The motion passed unanimously.

The motion was taken from the table at 10 a.m.

P754/D1.9 (C/MSC) Standard for Floating-Point Arithmetic

Recommendation: APPROVE

Prior to the recommendation to approve, there was a motion to disapprove. After some discussion about the project, the question was called, but there was an objection. The vote on calling the question failed to meet the required two-thirds approval [yes = 8; no = 6; abstain = 0]. Following further discussion, the mover and seconder withdrew the motion to disapprove, and a motion to approve was made.

Note: Bob Davis participated via phone during the discussion of P754.

There was discussion about the definition of “previously approved portions of the balloted document” (IEEE-SA OpMan 5.4.3.2). The Scope of Recirculations Ad Hoc committee was formed to clarify the issue (Chair: Wael Diab; Members: Bill Ash, Phil Barber, Clint Chaplin, Arnie Greenspan, Bob Grow, Rich Hulett, Mark Klerer, David Law, Moira Patterson, Dave Ringle, Sam Sciacca, Matt Wilkowski, George Willingmyre, and Malia Zaman).

The ad hoc committee is intended to be a committee of RevCom and ProCom, therefore ProCom members will be invited to join.

P1028/D10 (C/S2ESC) Standard for Software Reviews and Audits

Recommendation: Conditionally Approve

The motion was to conditionally approve based on the Sponsor agreeing to the deletion of the footnote in Subclause 1.1. Wael Diab was assigned as the RevCom mentor.

Prior to the motion to conditionally approve, there was a motion to approve. A friendly amendment for conditional approval was proposed, but it was rejected by the seconder. A vote was taken on the motion to approve, and it failed [yes = 3; no = 8; abstain = 3]. The previously-suggested friendly amendment was reintroduced as a motion to conditionally approve [see above for exact wording].

P1394/D2 (C/MSC) Standard for a High Performance Serial Bus

Recommendation: APPROVE

PC37.2/D3.1 (PE/SUB) Standard Electrical Power System Device Function Numbers, Acronyms and Contact Designations

Recommendation: APPROVE

5.3    REAFFIRMATION

497-2002 (PE/NPE) IEEE Standard Criteria for Accident Monitoring Instrumentation for Nuclear Power Generating Stations
[Also 497-2002/Cor1]

Recommendation: APPROVE [yes = 13; no = 0; abstain = 1 (Chaplin)]

1460-1996 (R2002) (SCC39) IEEE Guide for the Measurement of Quasi-Static Magnetic and Electric Fields

Recommendation: APPROVE

C37.23-2003 (PE/SWG) IEEE Standard for Metal-Enclosed Bus

Recommendation: APPROVE

C37.24-2003 (PE/SWG) IEEE Guide for Evaluating the Effect of Solar Radiation on Outdoor Metal-Enclosed Switchgear

Recommendation: APPROVE

C37.122.1-1993 (R2002) (PE/SUB) IEEE Guide for Gas-Insulated Substations

Recommendation: APPROVE

C37.123-1996 (R2002) (PE/SUB) IEEE Guide to Specifications for Gas-Insulated, Electric Power Substation Equipment

Recommendation: APPROVE [yes = 13; no = 0; abstain = 1 (Chaplin)]

C95.3-2002 (SCC39) IEEE Recommended Practice for Measurements and Computations of Radio Frequency Electromagnetic Fields With Respect to Human Exposure to Such Fields, 100 kHz-300 GHz

Recommendation: APPROVE

5.4    P802.20/D4.1m (C/LM) Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks - Standard Air Interface for Mobile Broadband Wireless Access Systems Supporting Vehicular Mobility - Physical and Media Access Control Layer Specification

Claire Topp, legal counsel, explained that conflict of interest principles would be applied to the consideration of P802.20, and that only unconflicted members would be able to vote. The status of some RevCom members had been previously determined at the SASB level. Other members were determined by legal counsel to be conflicted on the basis of their affiliations. The status of the remaining members was to be determined by the unconflicted RevCom members.

An executive session, during which the unconflicted RevCom members were to determine the status of the remaining members, was initiated.

Once the status of all RevCom members had been determined, open session resumed. The final determination was:

Unconflicted members:

Conflicted members:

Satish Aggarwal

Phil Barber

Victor Berman

Clint Chaplin

Andy Drozd

Wael Diab

Alex Gelman

John Kulick

Daniel Giusto

 

Jim Hughes

 

David Law

 

Gary Robinson

 

Sam Sciacca

 

Malcolm Thaden

 

Matt Wilkowski

 

Chair Law announced that there were eleven unconflicted RevCom members, six members were required to achieve quorum, and a majority of those voting was required for a motion to pass. Furthermore, he reserved the right to limit discussion in accordance with the rules used at the IEEE Board of Directors if necessary.

There was a motion to approve P802.20. After some discussion, there was a vote [recommendation below].

Recommendation: APPROVE [yes = 7; no = 0; abstain = 2 (Drozd, Sciacca); recuse = 1 (Robinson)]
[The conflicted RevCom members were excluded from voting: Barber, Chaplin, Diab, and Kulick.]

6       EARLY CONSIDERATION PROCESS

Chair Law stated that, as is customary for RevCom, there would be no Early Consideration teleconference during the summer.

7       NEW BUSINESS

7.1    Sponsor Responsibilities with Regards to Consideration of Comments and Requirement for Evidence - IEEE SASB OpMan 4.2.3.2, 5.4.3 & 5.4.3.2 – Law

Chair Law led discussion about the treatment of non-MBS comments by Sponsors. Recent changes to the IEEE SASB OpMan have added new requirements for Sponsors to provide evidence of consideration of all comments. However, the OpMan contains other requirements relating to Sponsor responsibilities with regard to comments, which makes it difficult for Sponsors to know what the requirements are for dealing with non-MBS comments.

Some points that were discussed were:

  • There are currently two competing approaches to the balloting process: vote-driven and comment-driven. The balloting rules have been vote-driven, requiring only MBS comments to be addressed with evidence, but the changes in question are moving the process in a more comment-driven direction.
  • OpMan 5.4.3 and 5.4.3.1 seem to provide differing requirements for addressing Approve comments.
  • Should responses to comments from the last round of balloting be required to be in myBallot?
  • Do the OpMan changes impact the MBS/non-MBS distinction?
  • Section 2.6 of the ANSI Essential Requirements: Due process requirements for American National Standards contains information relevant to this topic.

The OpMan currently contains differing language about the requirement for dealing with ballot comments not marked as reason for a disapprove vote. The Sponsor Responsibility with Regard to Non-MBS Comments Ad Hoc was formed to address this (Chair: Clint Chaplin; Members: Bill Ash, Phil Barber, Wael Diab, Arnie Greenspan, Bob Grow, Mark Klerer, David Law, Moira Patterson, Dave Ringle, Sam Sciacca, and Geoff Thompson).

7.2    RevCom Convention 6 – The 25/15 Day Policy – Law

Chair Law led discussion on RevCom Convention 6. He explained that the 25/15 Day Policy was created when RevCom submittals were still conducted by mail, and that since submittals are now received electronically, it should be considered whether there still was a need for a ten-day time window between the date by which the Sponsor should submit materials and the date by which RevCom should receive them.

Some points that were discussed were:

  • The Administrator can use some discretion when implementing this convention.
  • This policy has worked well as currently implemented.

It was decided that no changes were required at this time.

 8       NEXT MEETING
The next RevCom meeting will be Thursday, 25 September 2008, in Seoul, South Korea. The submittal deadline for this meeting is 15 August 2008.

An informal straw poll was taken about how many RevCom members expected to attend the next meeting. Twelve members indicated that they were planning on attending that meeting, one member was unsure at this time, and two declined.

 9       ADJOURNMENT

There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 2.05 p.m.

 
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